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Обзор темы - off-topic: "Hunter Killer" movie
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HughAguilar писал(а):
wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year --- I don't know if Russians celebrate these holidays though.

Thank you! New Year in Russia celebrating by almost all people. This is a date of summarizing previous year and plans for a future.


HughAguilar писал(а):
It makes me sad that nobody is interested in my STRING-STACK.4TH or any of my other Forth code.


Be optimistic! :) One library is not important, movement is valuable.

HughAguilar писал(а):
now there are less than 20 Forth programmers on the planet --- people go to college and become professional programmers, and they never hear about Forth at all, of if they do hear about it they are told that it is a joke.


We can count even forthers on this site, I think more than 20. Around me I can count at least 5 active programers. Looking at Forth as at aprroach to code organization, not as a 'pure' language, we can use it widely and start from adding portions of Forth-like code.
Сообщение Добавлено: Пн дек 31, 2018 18:44
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Hishnik писал(а):
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In other states, such as Arizona, it is generally legal to own a gun. When I worked as a taxicab driver, I carried a snub-nose revolver for personal protection --- taxicab driving is one of the most dangerous jobs in regard to robbery.

Well, sounds not good.

Well, any job in which you need to carry a gun, is not a good job. :shock:
I was making money at it, but if I get my throat slit then all the money in the world is not going to be worth anything to me.
Later on, the cab-company went out of business due to bad management, and I didn't jump to any other cab company. I found work as a plumber instead.

In America we now have Uber and Lyft that are undermining the taxicab business, so there is not much money to be made anymore. Uber and Lyft are safer because all the rides are paid with credit-card, so you don't have to carry cash, so you aren't a target for robbery.
I remember when I was cab-driving in Denver on New Years Eve, I had over $700 in my pocket --- that really makes me a target --- requiring the use of credit cards makes the job safer.
The downside of credit cards though, is that records are kept in regard to how much money you make, so the IRS can tax you on your profit --- so you either get robbed by a criminal with a knife, or you get robbed by the IRS which is also a criminal organization in my opinion.

I wish all of you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year --- I don't know if Russians celebrate these holidays though.

It makes me sad that nobody is interested in my STRING-STACK.4TH or any of my other Forth code.
Nobody is interested in establishing a Forth standard that would allow us to have code-libraries so programs could be written quickly and would be portable between different Forth systems.
The situation today is not improved from the situation in 1994 when I wrote MFX for the MiniForth processor.
The situation is worse now, because in the late 1980s there were hundreds (maybe thousands) of Forth programmers and Forth was considered to be a serious contender against C --- now there are less than 20 Forth programmers on the planet --- people go to college and become professional programmers, and they never hear about Forth at all, of if they do hear about it they are told that it is a joke.
Сообщение Добавлено: Пн дек 31, 2018 07:20
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HughAguilar писал(а):
Are citizens allowed to keep guns in their homes?
I read that in Russia a person can own a hunting rifle, but has to turn it in to the authorities. He only gets to hold it in his hands when he actually goes hunting, and he is supervised to make sure that he doesn't use it for a crime.

Exactly. Plus you need to have hunter's license first.

HughAguilar писал(а):
In other states, such as Arizona, it is generally legal to own a gun. When I worked as a taxicab driver, I carried a snub-nose revolver for personal protection --- taxicab driving is one of the most dangerous jobs in regard to robbery.

Well, sounds not good.
Сообщение Добавлено: Сб дек 29, 2018 17:45
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Hishnik писал(а):
HughAguilar писал(а):
Does Russia still use the 7.62x54 Dragunov rifle?

From Internet, it is used widely not in the Russia only.
HughAguilar писал(а):
Is it legal for Russian citizens to own guns?

For hunting purposes only. Dragunov rifle has such version.

Are citizens allowed to keep guns in their homes?
I read that in Russia a person can own a hunting rifle, but has to turn it in to the authorities. He only gets to hold it in his hands when he actually goes hunting, and he is supervised to make sure that he doesn't use it for a crime.

I was mistaken when I said that a Dragunov could be had for $150 --- I was thinking of the Mosin-Nagant that also uses the 7.62x54 --- a Dragunov is not usually going to be available, and if it is available it is going to be expensive.

Gun laws in America vary from state to state. In some states, such as California, it is illegal for almost everybody to own a gun. In other states, such as Arizona, it is generally legal to own a gun. When I worked as a taxicab driver, I carried a snub-nose revolver for personal protection --- taxicab driving is one of the most dangerous jobs in regard to robbery.
Сообщение Добавлено: Сб дек 29, 2018 05:55
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HughAguilar писал(а):
Does Russia still use the 7.62x54 Dragunov rifle?

From Internet, it is used widely not in the Russia only.
HughAguilar писал(а):
Is it legal for Russian citizens to own guns?

For hunting purposes only. Dragunov rifle has such version.
Сообщение Добавлено: Пт дек 28, 2018 20:02
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Here is another off-topic question:
Does Russia still use the 7.62x54 Dragunov rifle?
Is it legal for Russian citizens to own guns?

I have seen Russian-surplus Dragunov rifles in gun-stores here in America for as little as $150. They are supposed to be pretty accurate. Russian ammunition may be difficult to find though.
Сообщение Добавлено: Пт дек 28, 2018 08:00
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HughAguilar писал(а):
Only the Russian gang featured prominently though.

Again biased and unverified information? (Maybe "controlled" crime, corruption)

Unverified information? You do understand that Hollywood movies are fiction, right? They don't normally contain any verified information.

You guys worry too much that American movies are representing Russia badly.
The Purge movies were not anti-Russian.
The Purge movies were a caricature of what is bad in America. They showed rich people hating poor people and wanting to kill the poor people. There is a lot of that attitude in America.

Anyway, because you are being sensitive about Russia being misrepresented in Hollywood movies, lets drop the subject of movies --- get back to discussing Forth programming again. :)
Сообщение Добавлено: Пн дек 03, 2018 05:34
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HughAguilar писал(а):
Only the Russian gang featured prominently though.

Again biased and unverified information? (Maybe "controlled" crime, corruption)

HughAguilar писал(а):
So, lets talk about the "Purge" movies instead...

Many topics for flame in Russian forum on Gamedev.ru
Example Перестал любить Америку (эстетика) (Analytics for the CIA) :)

Forth Member (Gudleifer) can be found there.
Сообщение Добавлено: Вс дек 02, 2018 13:39
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Hishnik писал(а):
KPG писал(а):
P.S. Какая цель данного обсуждения на местном форуме?

Форт - это люди, а не слова и трансляторы. В разделах, обозначенных как оффтопик, допустим культурный обмен и высказывание позиции по общим вопросам.

On November 29 I posted a message about Forth:
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1850&p=46081#p46081

I provided the documentation for my STRING-STACK.4TH package and offered to provide the source-code so that it could be included in your Russian Forth Standard.
I got no response at all! Apparently nobody is interested in my Forth code. So, lets talk about the "Purge" movies instead...
Сообщение Добавлено: Вс дек 02, 2018 11:46
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HughAguilar писал(а):
You haven't seen the movie,

I did. This didn't change my world.
Сообщение Добавлено: Вс дек 02, 2018 08:58
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Hishnik писал(а):
KPG писал(а):
Why is the plot included killer people from Russia and Eastern Europe, but not Western Europe or Asia, China,, of Africa, Australia ...?

Good question! To make Americans familiar with idea some Russians are killers and must be neutralized by brave U.S. soldiers, I suppose.

You suppose???
You haven't seen the movie, but you are expressing an opinion on it that is totally incorrect. You did this with the "Hunter Killer" movie also.

I already told you that all crimes including murder are legal on Purge Day. The U.S. soldiers aren't neutralizing anything, and neither are the police. There is no law and order on Purge Day --- it is 12 hours of pure anarchy with no legal consequences.
I don't remember if the murder tourists were all Russian or Eastern European. They may have come from all over the world. Only the Russian gang featured prominently though.
Сообщение Добавлено: Вс дек 02, 2018 07:50
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Some real thing instead...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh6ORlaURso&t=475s
Сообщение Добавлено: Вс дек 02, 2018 01:50
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KPG писал(а):
Why is the plot included killer people from Russia and Eastern Europe, but not Western Europe or Asia, China,, of Africa, Australia ...?

Good question! To make Americans familiar with idea some Russians are killers and must be neutralized by brave U.S. soldiers, I suppose.

KPG писал(а):
P.S. Какая цель данного обсуждения на местном форуме?

Форт - это люди, а не слова и трансляторы. В разделах, обозначенных как оффтопик, допустим культурный обмен и высказывание позиции по общим вопросам.
Сообщение Добавлено: Сб дек 01, 2018 13:11
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Why is the plot included killer people from Russia and Eastern Europe, but not Western Europe or Asia, China,, of Africa, Australia ...?
Russia and America are different continents!

P.S. Какая цель данного обсуждения на местном форуме?
Сообщение Добавлено: Сб дек 01, 2018 12:47
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I liked were the Purge series of movies. :evil:
The idea in these movies is that, on one particular day of the year for 12 hours, all crimes including murder are allowed.
The idea with Purge Day is to kill off the poor people --- the poor are out on the streets fending for themselves, while the rich people are inside of gated communities and also have bodyguards to defend them from the hoards.
There is "murder tourism" in which homicidal men from Russia and Eastern Europe come to America for the purpose of participating in Purge Day --- they get to sport-hunt Americans in the streets with no legal consequences.
Also, the American government has teams of assassins who participate in the Purge, primarily killing people who have offended the American government in some way, but also killing at random to boost the death toll.

I think that the Purge idea is a reference to the Katrina Hurricane that caused flooding in New Orleans. All of the police abandoned New Orleans and the whole city became completely lawless for about five days. Criminal gangs controlled the streets.
Rape and murder was common. The people were encouraged to go to the Super Dome, but there was no law enforcement there so rapes and murders were common --- it was actually safer to stay out on the streets and just try to dodge the criminals.
Israel had their army in New Orleans primarily for the purpose of protecting Jews, and they killed some people while they were there.
There were also assassination teams going around the city killing political dissidents.
The National Guard was in New Orleans, but all they did was take the home-owners' guns away from them so they would be defenseless against the criminals.

I have read that the police officers who abandoned New Orleans and allowed it to descend into anarchy were not punished. The concept of "dereliction of duty" only applies to the military. The police are civilians --- they have no legal obligation to do anything to prevent or stop crime --- it is legal, although somewhat unethical, for them to simply run away when there is danger.
Most of the police officers who abandoned New Orleans just moved to Texas and got jobs as police officers there.

I've seen all of the Purge movies except for the first one released, "the Purge," which came out in 2013 (I'll see that one too, if I can find a DVD for it).
I would recommend, "the First Purge" or "the Purge; Election Year"

I disagree with Ilya's idea that Hollywood only makes movies that represent America positively.
The Purge movies really show America at its worst! :shock:
Сообщение Добавлено: Сб дек 01, 2018 09:25

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